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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:13 am



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Also, I can't tell if you were down talking autotune or not (can't really tell through text) but so many artists use autotune/melodyne that it's not even funny. It's not really an issue unless you're literally pitch correcting every note because you can't sing in tune. Other than that, they're human bro. There's no way they could single every note they've ever sang in tune every single time. It would blow a lot of minds if there were a list made of artists who used some sort of pitch correction at some point in their career at any length. That list would be huuuuuuuuge.

oh no, how could people POSSIBLY have sung well before the invention of auto-tune? Ella. Sinatra. Aretha. Ray. Any hundreds of more. The list goes on. You can go to a club in any city and see a talented vocalist sing their butt off without technology aiding them.

I'm all for adding digital effects to music, but the people who "sing" on the radio, and really just auto-tune every damn thing aren't musicians, they're entertainers


You neglect the fact that if those artists were being produced today, they would definitely be using some sort of pitch correction to some end. Believe it or not, Sinatra has been known to go flat sometimes.
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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:19 am



Hertaz wrote:
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Also, I can't tell if you were down talking autotune or not (can't really tell through text) but so many artists use autotune/melodyne that it's not even funny. It's not really an issue unless you're literally pitch correcting every note because you can't sing in tune. Other than that, they're human bro. There's no way they could single every note they've ever sang in tune every single time. It would blow a lot of minds if there were a list made of artists who used some sort of pitch correction at some point in their career at any length. That list would be huuuuuuuuge.

oh no, how could people POSSIBLY have sung well before the invention of auto-tune? Ella. Sinatra. Aretha. Ray. Any hundreds of more. The list goes on. You can go to a club in any city and see a talented vocalist sing their butt off without technology aiding them.

I'm all for adding digital effects to music, but the people who "sing" on the radio, and really just auto-tune every damn thing aren't musicians, they're entertainers


You neglect the fact that if those artists were being produced today, they would definitely be using some sort of pitch correction to some end. Believe it or not, Sinatra has been known to go flat sometimes.
it's possible, not definite they might have corrected some pitches on recordings. Ray Charles produced all of his stuff so i sincerely doubt he would have. but live? never. thats what makes it, and them, so good.
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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

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not to mention that all those old, uncorrected albums sound hundreds of times better than the majority of music that uses excessive amounts of auto-tune. like Drake. come on. that's like saying Elvin Jones would have used a drum machine if he was still living. he was, after all, know to play a little behind the beat
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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

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I think we're on the same page but still arguing... I agree with you that excessive amounts of pitch correction is bad, because that means you simply can't sing in tune. And nobody uses pitch correction live because it's not something that can be done in real time (unless you're referring to the T-Payne super robotic autotune sound, which is now considered more of an effect rather than pitch correction).

However, it IS definite that they would use pitch correction at some length (unless, as I mentioned earlier, they produced themself on a pseudo-indie scale). Not because they would suck without it, but of course we always look for perfection and as I said, nobody is perfect. Melodyne helps for those few and far between moments when people hit a note out of tune.

I'm curious if you know the difference between autotune and melodyne... what's commonly referred to as autotune is something that takes the whole recording and 'snaps' each frequency to the closest pitch in the selected scale, created the perfect (and unnatural) sine wave... that's what makes the T-payne effect (if cranked to the max) or the slightly robotic Rebecca Black. Melodyne takes much more time, the sound engineer surveys the entire recording and looks for moments where the voice is noticeably out of tune, then they correct individual pitches by multiplying them by a ratio, keeping the contour of the wave form, but effectively changing the perceived pitch. Note that this is done on only individual pitches that need corrected.

And I don't think your Elvin Jones comment is relevant, Vocalists can't sing dozens of takes at one time because it would kill their voice, and it's not economically viable to try and record the same piece day after day until perfection is met. Drummers can pretty much do as many takes as they need, playing with a click track to stop them from getting off the beat. Not to mention the human voice is so much more complex than percussion, vowels and pressure from dynamics change the pitch in minute ways that sometimes go overlooked 'in the heat of the moment' during recording. I would definitely say it is a million times easier for a drummer to line up with the beat than it is for a vocalist to sing certain pitches with certain vowels at certain dynamics in tune 100% of the time so they didn't use pitch correction.

TL;DR pitch correction isn't bad 97% of the time and is used to get a more perfect sound.
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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

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we're on the same page, i was just up at 3am AND LOOKIN' FOR A FIGHT! :)
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I understand :)
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The Lying Lies and Dirty Secrets of Miss Erica Court.

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One of the most beautiful metal albums ever, and in my opinion a beautiful album in general.


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Die Antwoord.

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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:33 pm





Probabbbblyyy my favorite song currently.

I love music from like, 2000-2007 so much more than what current 'alternative' groups are putting out. There's so much folk-pop crap out there that all sounds the same. What happened to punk pop and real emo?

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1974 Santa Clara Vanguard!

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:48 pm





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Re: What are you listening to at this exact moment

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:16 pm





The album Old pride by Pianos become the teeth is so good.
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I listened to the Bluecoats 2011 show like three times through tonight. Why? No clue. It's interesting. I could actually pick out Drew Guy dutting. From a recording. That's a pretty sharp audio system, eh?
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This is my hype song for the season. I usually hate rap, but this man kills it and does it without talking about drugs/sex. I *beep* love this guy.
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Jordan Bible. Middle Tennessee State University Percussion Studio. Music Education.
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If you've never heard of Mahavishnu Orchestra, then educate yourself for your own good.


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This song/music video is deep if you watch and analyze it like 6 times
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awakentosleep wrote:Yeah, but it was sort of like the Americas before Columbus: just a bunch of uncultured savages running around killing each other, smoking peyote, and eating dirt.
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red devils wrote:This is my hype song for the season. I usually hate rap, but this man kills it and does it without talking about drugs/sex. I *beep* love this guy.
Macklemore does rap about drugs, but he tells the truth about them:



His music is so real. He also has some ridiculous fun stuff like "Thrift Shop." I bought the deluxe edition of the "Heist" album and it is definitely on my short list of favorite rap albums.


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Joyce manor. Awesome.
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If I ever learn to sing, I want to learn scat.
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dgaking wrote:
red devils wrote:This is my hype song for the season. I usually hate rap, but this man kills it and does it without talking about drugs/sex. I *beep* love this guy.
Macklemore does rap about drugs, but he tells the truth about them:



His music is so real. He also has some ridiculous fun stuff like "Thrift Shop." I bought the deluxe edition of the "Heist" album and it is definitely on my short list of favorite rap albums.
Hey Doug, I think you'd like Immortal Technique's rapping then.
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