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xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:15 pm



discussion for these next gen consoles

looks like sony is going to come out on top as of now just cause of all the controversy over microsoft's used game policy and some of their other policies
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:44 pm



Both are great systems.

But, I think Microsoft is placing too many rules to the end user. Can't easily share games with friends, the Kinect is always on (even when the system itself is off), if the camera detects more than a certain number of people in the room to watch a movie, it'll require an extra charge, requires Internet connection, etc.

Sony seems to really be embracing the indie game developers. They are coming out cheaper, even if you buy the PS Eye accessory. Good collection of launch exclusives also.
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:02 pm



the fact that you can't access the new xbox without WIFI is straight up stupid
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:05 pm



Let me attack this as someone who the gaming world left behind. I don't own any of the current generation consoles, and play those of my friends every so often. I'd spend any amount of money on a decent football game, if they ever made one. But, as someone who still plays his original XBOX, and never got caught up in the new, fancy stuff, let me offer this:

The XBOX One isn't restricting much more than the 360 is, currently. Here are the complaints I've heard:
You have to be online.
- You have to be online, now. You don't have to play multiplayer, you can show yourself as unavailable, but you have to be connected to the internet (online). Games are published half-finished, and updated via the internet. Anyone not connected is left with half a game, and a largely useless, wholly frustrating experience.

All internal memory aside from saved game data is entirely erased every time you turn off the console. This includes the clock, with the only fix being connecting to the internet to automatically adjust the time, or doing it yourself every time you turn on the system.

Transferring information from one system to the other is virtually impossible. Only select pieces of data are usable upon transfer, with all others not working because of various 'security' issues. I can't identify who I am, because I didn't log onto the internet with an account, upload data to a storage device, log into a different system on said same account, and them download said data.

Used games will have to be trade online, with a fee.
- There are already a litany of measures preventing you from using material more than once. I was given a unique code for my football game in order to access online content. I used it on one console, and now play the game more regularly on a different console. Goodbye internet access. I can't even transfer that information, because it's registered to one profile, and not another (not mine, being that I don't have one).

Their online purchasing has already shown that it doesn't reflect market prices, as they're routinely more expensive than physical games you can find brand new elsewhere.

Mandatory use of voice/motion recognition.
This one I won't defend. This is pretty new, from what I've heard, but I don't know all the details.

So, at the end of the day, they've stepped some things up, but ultimately the outrage is just over it being seen in black and white. They've been screwing you all along, you've just gotten over it. I guarantee people will get over this, it'll make tons of money, and the rest of the indursty will follow suit within the next few years. Wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Sony do the same during the PS4's lifetime.

I certainly don't support it. I hate every last bit of it. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. Give me my full, completed game, let me put it in my console, play, and be happy. I'll go online if I want to, and you can go *beep* yourself. But, the point is that things aren't going to be much more different than they are now. Question is, are you okay with how restrcited you are now? If so, you might just be able to get over what's coming...


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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:16 pm



I'm sitting this generation out, at least until I age out (DCI 14/WGI 15). New console's and diddle payments? Ain't nobody got money for that.
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

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I'm taking this opportunity to back out of console gaming almost entirely. I have a 360 currently, but 95% of what I use it for is Netflix or to watch a DVD. I only ever play a game when my internet is down (in which case I still have full offline functionality. All my data is still there and the clock is still accurate). All the games I play currently are PC games (Planetside 2, Starcraft 2, and League of Legends), except for offline, single-player games on console when I'm tired of dealing with hordes of 12 year olds who have allegedly had sex with my mother. Skyrim, Mass Effect, and Halo will all suit me just fine in that regard.
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

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This is relevant:


At this point I don't think I'm going to buy a new console. I'm probably just going to save my money for a powerful PC and/or drum corps.
dlinebass5 wrote: - You have to be online, now. You don't have to play multiplayer, you can show yourself as unavailable, but you have to be connected to the internet (online). Games are published half-finished, and updated via the internet. Anyone not connected is left with half a game, and a largely useless, wholly frustrating experience.
You don't have to be connected or updated to play games on the 360. I would be perfectly fine without an internet connection because I mostly only enjoy the single player experience. Games work fine without the newest updates. The Xbox One, on the other hand, has to check into the internet every 24 hours to work at all. That means if I lose my job and can't afford internet, I can't play any of my games even if they're just single player.
dlinebass5 wrote:All internal memory aside from saved game data is entirely erased every time you turn off the console. This includes the clock, with the only fix being connecting to the internet to automatically adjust the time, or doing it yourself every time you turn on the system.
To my knowledge, the 360 only resets the clock if it loses power. If you just turn it off it still keeps time.


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The ps4 is cheaper with better hardware all because of Microsoft's $150 camera. From what devs are saying, the ps4 versions of all the multi-platform releases have up to 40% better graphics that the Xbone. Microsoft's vision is about 15 years too early IMO, most of the planet does not have the internet infrastructure to use it.
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Microsoft did address the issue of our troops overseas who don't have internet connection. Their response, and I quote: "We already have a system in place for those without internet connection, it's the Xbox 360." Really, that's their response to our troops that are loyal gamers and don't have a lot of other things to do on their downtime when they're deployed?
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:32 pm



PS4
The marketplace explanation, of what you can do on it, sold it for me.
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:00 pm



Microsoft has reversed its position on game sharing and always-online

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/r ... -policies/

Games can now be bought, played, traded, and sold exactly as they are on the 360. There will be a launch day patch integrated into the first-time setup of the One that will enable an offline mode for disk-based games. However, the cloud storage of games and family sharing library features have been removed
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:34 am



even though thats probably the right move for microsoft, i think the damage is already done. too many people have their minds set on sony already; and now the people that actually liked the cloud based policy are out of luck.
their PR department has a tough road ahead
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:36 am



MS lost face by not sticking to their guns. The joke now is people are calling it the Xbox 180.

The Kinect is still required and its still always on. I'm curious to see what happens with their restrictions about more the X number of people being detected by the camera and applying an extra fee.
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The Xbox had the chance to actually innovate a little this generation..but they backed off of it. Now the consoles are going to be (basically) the exact same as each other and the last generation but with better graphics. Moving console gaming to a more Steam-like approach could have been very interesting, but the vocal minority (yes, the people that care enough to go post on the internet about it are a minority..tons of people don't know a thing about the new consoles and don't care. Mom is going to buy her son a One because he loved his 360 type of thing) was loud enough that they completely backpedaled. Stagnation..the only innovation in the industry is in the graphical department now.
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Come on guys let's just be happy Microsoft at least reversed their DRM Policy for the Xbox One and took away some family sharing benefits. :D

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Kaitou wrote:The Xbox had the chance to actually innovate a little this generation..but they backed off of it. Now the consoles are going to be (basically) the exact same as each other and the last generation but with better graphics. Moving console gaming to a more Steam-like approach could have been very interesting, but the vocal minority (yes, the people that care enough to go post on the internet about it are a minority..tons of people don't know a thing about the new consoles and don't care. Mom is going to buy her son a One because he loved his 360 type of thing) was loud enough that they completely backpedaled. Stagnation..the only innovation in the industry is in the graphical department now.
How is a developing a complicated anti-consumer DRM scheme innovating?
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Cubee wrote:
Kaitou wrote:The Xbox had the chance to actually innovate a little this generation..but they backed off of it. Now the consoles are going to be (basically) the exact same as each other and the last generation but with better graphics. Moving console gaming to a more Steam-like approach could have been very interesting, but the vocal minority (yes, the people that care enough to go post on the internet about it are a minority..tons of people don't know a thing about the new consoles and don't care. Mom is going to buy her son a One because he loved his 360 type of thing) was loud enough that they completely backpedaled. Stagnation..the only innovation in the industry is in the graphical department now.
How is a developing a complicated anti-consumer DRM scheme innovating?
It was moving toward a model like Steam follows
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

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Kaitou wrote:
Cubee wrote:
How is a developing a complicated anti-consumer DRM scheme innovating?
It was moving toward a model like Steam follows
true statement. for more, read here: http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-go ... -514411905
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Re: xbox one vs. ps4

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:09 pm



Everyone always brings up Steam. On Steam, you can get a brand new Triple-A game for $5. You can't do that on consoles. I mean it's even hard to find a used AAA Game for $5 that came out within the last 2 years. Sure there's a chance that going all digital will usher in Steam-like discounts, but do you want to hedge your consumer rights and flexibility on a chance? This IS Microsoft after all. They want your money.

But it's cool. I won't either until the 2nd or 3rd year they're out. If I'm wrong at that point (say they bring back the DRM and introduce sales), so be it, I was wrong. But I'm sticking to my gut for now.
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I pretty sure if you have a problem with the camera you can just turn the Xbox around.
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Kaitou wrote:
Cubee wrote:
Kaitou wrote:The Xbox had the chance to actually innovate a little this generation..but they backed off of it. Now the consoles are going to be (basically) the exact same as each other and the last generation but with better graphics. Moving console gaming to a more Steam-like approach could have been very interesting, but the vocal minority (yes, the people that care enough to go post on the internet about it are a minority..tons of people don't know a thing about the new consoles and don't care. Mom is going to buy her son a One because he loved his 360 type of thing) was loud enough that they completely backpedaled. Stagnation..the only innovation in the industry is in the graphical department now.
How is a developing a complicated anti-consumer DRM scheme innovating?
It was moving toward a model like Steam follows
The rest of the planet does not have the internet infrastructure to do what Microsoft was trying to do. Plus Microsoft LOVES their restrictions, that's something they have never been able to figure out is that costumers like choice, a way to take a product and make it their own. Under the DRM policies, you were essentially renting your games not actually owning them.

Yes I acknowledge the gaming industry is dying due to used game sales, but I have a simple solution. MAKE GAMES WITH REPLAY VALUE! I would never dream of returning my Mass Effect series, I could pick up Mass Effect 1 today and start a whole new playthrough of the series and still have a completely different experience than other 3 times I have beaten them.
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Lee clary wrote:I pretty sure if you have a problem with the camera you can just turn the Xbox around.
Wait, you mean Microsoft won't come into my house and bolt my XBone into place? I can CHOOSE where I put it and which way I face it?!
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:59 pm



You can turn the camera around, but if it doesn't detect anyone when the systems on, it won't allow you to do anything.
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I sneezed the other day while playing Xbox 1.

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