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Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:02 pm



I'm talking about five-tupets, seven-tuplets, and things like that. I feel like I've seen groupings go up to as high as 13 before. Question is, what's the best way the learn how to subdivide those groupings to know that you are playing them correctly? How do you guys count them (if you do)?


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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:32 pm



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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:12 am



well think about it like this everything relates to the quarter note. if there is a fivelet for example the way you subdivide it is by the quarter note, you have to fit 5 notes in one down beat, 7 notes in one down beat, 12 notes in one down beat.....you may have also seen 5 eighth notes bracketed together, on top it should have a ratio .5:2, 5:3or just 5. easy formula to figure that out is to double the eight notes so you can make them 16th notes and circle every fifth note then you are going to notice that the first down beat and the last 16 of beat 2 are your quarters once you figure that out then you will Know how to play them. like i said everything relates to that down beat.


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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:12 am



swstarks wrote:No count. Play.
Yo... this!

To be a little more clear on this... use triplets and 16ths as an example. In 4/4 time, triplets switch hands every beat. 16ths stay with the same hand on the beat. So, although you probably learned "1 la le" for triplets (or tri-puh-let, whatever), and "1 e & a" for 16ths, you never really play them well until you get the feel (i.e., the muscle memory) for that subdivision. Its the same thing for 5lets, 6tuplets, or 7lets, whatever. You have to set the met, find those reference points (which hand goes on the beat when) and just feel it out.
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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:02 pm



How about this:

5 as 3+2: "1 e a + a"
5 as 2+3: "1 e + e a"
7 as 3+2+2: "1 e a + a + a"
7 as 2+2+3: "1 e + a + e a"
7 as 2+3+2: "1 e + e a + a"

Etc.


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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:43 am



Since this is in the instructors forum: Are you asking how we (instructors) count them? Or how we teach them to students? I don't count them. I just play them. But that's because I've been playing forever and can do that. When I teach, I use words with a corresponding number of syllables than use Bridgemanfan's method of making it fit into the beat by explaining that the word has to fit evenly into the beat.

So let's say we have a fivelet on beat 3 of a 4/4 measure. Choose a 5-syllable word or phrase (I'll use hippopotamus). I would teach them to count the measure as "1________________2_________________Hippoptamus4______________".

It's a very elementary method to learning, but it works and eventually they'll be skilled enough to not need to use it.


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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:21 pm



5's: Ho-mo-sex-u-al
7's: se-ven-se-ven-se-ven-stop


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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:43 pm



5s
Ho-mo-se-xu-al
U-ni-ver-si-ty

7s
Ho-mo-se-xu-a-li-ty

9s
u-ni-for-mi-ta-ri-a-ni-sm

11s
an-ti-dis-es-ta-blish-men-tar-i-a-nist


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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:24 pm



TeaWrecks wrote:5s
Ho-mo-se-xu-al
U-ni-ver-si-ty

7s
Ho-mo-se-xu-a-li-ty

9s
u-ni-for-mi-ta-ri-a-ni-sm

11s
an-ti-dis-es-ta-blish-men-tar-i-a-nist

ROAF.

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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:54 pm



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Re: Counting Odd Groupings of Notes

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:32 pm



ROAF?


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