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Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:57 pm



Recently, the site's seen a huge upswing in burgeoning composers; I'm extremely enthused by this fact. With the amount of material being generated on the site, as well as the sheer number of writers both new and experienced, I thought that it might be a good idea to have a place where everyone could discuss writing, and where people might give insight to their peers.

This is that thread.

So yeah. Go.
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:15 pm



AWA wrote:Recently, the site's seen a huge upswing in burgeoning composers; I'm extremely enthused by this fact. With the amount of material being generated on the site, as well as the sheer number of writers both new and experienced, I thought that it might be a good idea to have a place where everyone could discuss writing, and where people might give insight to their peers.

This is that thread.

So yeah. Go.

I'm really excited about this thread, I can't wait to see what people have to say.
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:18 pm



Is this percussion writing period, or just music writing in general?


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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:25 pm



Primarily percussion, since that's what we deal with on this site, but other musical compositional techniques can be discussed if the topic arises.
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I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
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tdubasdfg wrote:I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
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Captain_Pit wrote:
tdubasdfg wrote:I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
yeah same here

i mean technically, anything you can do in one key you can do in another, but for some reason certain keys sound better in different ways.

weird...
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

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I know this thread probably isn't meant for this type of thing, but I'm trying to get help with something so....

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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

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Captain_Pit wrote:
tdubasdfg wrote:I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
Technically, it would be G# and C# minor. You don't usually refer to their relative majors as Cb and Fb, respectively.
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

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This should be an interesting thread to watch...and Ive got a good question that might start an actual discussion

Lately ive been able to begin alot of compositions with things ive come up with while playing the marimba. However I will write it out on paper, slightly edit it when going to the computer...but then im stuck with what I have and have trouble continuing the flow of a composition sometimes.

any advice?
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:19 pm



uscdrums26 wrote:
Captain_Pit wrote:
tdubasdfg wrote:I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
Technically, it would be G# and C# minor. You don't usually refer to their relative majors as Cb and Fb, respectively.
Not usually, but it does happen (and when it does, I want to punch the composer in the mouth).
nickstix91 wrote:Lately ive been able to begin alot of compositions with things ive come up with while playing the marimba. However I will write it out on paper, slightly edit it when going to the computer...but then im stuck with what I have and have trouble continuing the flow of a composition sometimes.

any advice?
Sometimes, what you have written will be a fragment, or not necessarily the beginning of your piece. It can be difficult to see your written lick in the context of a larger work which does not exist yet, but when you realize that there is blank paper before your already-written music as well, you will feel much freer in terms of compositional flexibility. Additionally, it may help in that if you flesh out a previous section, then mentally play through your written section, you might be able to more readily define where you want to go next in terms of flow.
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

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AWA wrote:Sometimes, what you have written will be a fragment, or not necessarily the beginning of your piece. It can be difficult to see your written lick in the context of a larger work which does not exist yet, but when you realize that there is blank paper before your already-written music as well, you will feel much freer in terms of compositional flexibility. Additionally, it may help in that if you flesh out a previous section, then mentally play through your written section, you might be able to more readily define where you want to go next in terms of flow.
Thanks for the advice, I used this concept with a string quintet I was writing. As far as the percussion ensemble piece I kind of hit a wall with, the section I wrote out and composed was actually written as an introduction. So the blank paper before it dosent do much ha.

This thread needs to continue though, im sure other people of questions?
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:01 pm



AWA wrote:
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Captain_Pit wrote: Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
Technically, it would be G# and C# minor. You don't usually refer to their relative majors as Cb and Fb, respectively.
Not usually, but it does happen (and when it does, I want to punch the composer in the mouth).
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:50 pm



I was wondering what is the basic key to write a composition? Any answer will be welcome


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noisesplit wrote:I was wondering what is the basic key to write a composition? Any answer will be welcome
Any key really. Experiment, that's what I always do. Just pick a key and write with it.


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noisesplit wrote:I was wondering what is the basic key to write a composition? Any answer will be welcome
Any key really. Experiment, that's what I always do. Just pick a key and write with it.
Yeah, same. The more you write, the more you realize what each key sounds like and what type of music fits with it. But if you are looking for easy, C major is the easiest.
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Captain_Pit wrote:
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noisesplit wrote:I was wondering what is the basic key to write a composition? Any answer will be welcome
Any key really. Experiment, that's what I always do. Just pick a key and write with it.
Yeah, same. The more you write, the more you realize what each key sounds like and what type of music fits with it. But if you are looking for easy, C major is the easiest.

OKAY... thanks for that. Maybe I should say "What is the basic things to write a composition?" to be clearer.


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noisesplit wrote:OKAY... thanks for that. Maybe I should say "What is the basic things to write a composition?" to be clearer.
Mainly all you need to know is basic music theory, such as intervals (simple and complex), scales and modes, the sounds they create respectively, chords, and basic melodic/harmonic structure.

Once you've mastered composing simple and structured tunes, you can move on to adding Nuance or speed or big intervals or cool chords and arranging certain parts to certain instruments for specific sound qualities and such.

Though i'm not talking totally about battery arranging, here's an example: really good battery arrangers like Paul Rennick and Mike McIntosh don't add rudiments and crap because it looks cool or is fun to play, they do it because different rudiments create different sounds, such as 3 singles versus a puhduhduh. Sure, sometimes they have to do certain things so you end on the right hand and so it isn't TOO difficult, but in general they right parts more for the sounds. I may actually start a thread about that on that thought.

hope that helped. For the basic theory stuff, just get the complete idiot's guide to music theory, it's really good.
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noisesplit wrote:OKAY... thanks for that. Maybe I should say "What is the basic things to write a composition?" to be clearer.
Mainly all you need to know is basic music theory, such as intervals (simple and complex), scales and modes, the sounds they create respectively, chords, and basic melodic/harmonic structure.

Once you've mastered composing simple and structured tunes, you can move on to adding Nuance or speed or big intervals or cool chords and arranging certain parts to certain instruments for specific sound qualities and such.

Though i'm not talking totally about battery arranging, here's an example: really good battery arrangers like Paul Rennick and Mike McIntosh don't add rudiments and crap because it looks cool or is fun to play, they do it because different rudiments create different sounds, such as 3 singles versus a puhduhduh. Sure, sometimes they have to do certain things so you end on the right hand and so it isn't TOO difficult, but in general they right parts more for the sounds. I may actually start a thread about that on that thought.

hope that helped. For the basic theory stuff, just get the complete idiot's guide to music theory, it's really good.
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Re: Composition Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:51 pm



I find my compositions to be all over the place with little in the sense of a consistant theme. Any suggestions for how to remedy? Wat do you all do when you want to write something? I find myself going on sibelius and writing a passage then coming back a week or so and continuing repeating this until i have a cadence and in some cases what looks like a movement in a show
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i have a question about copyright if any of ya'll know about this.

at my school, each class of percussionists (freshman, soph, junior, senior) has an end of the year solo that we play at a recital. freshmen have a rudimental snare solo (pratt book), sophomores have a 4 mallet solo, juniors have a timp/ multi percussion solo, and seniors pick a topic and do a project on it.

i want to do my project on this marimba improv solo that has latin grooves behind it (drumset, world percussion and such). i have already transcribed most of it.

my question is, if i manage to get some of the top kids to play it at our end of the year concert, would i need to copyright it? i mean, nobody films it or anything, but i would love for that to be my senior project.
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num1drummer wrote:i have a question about copyright if any of ya'll know about this.

at my school, each class of percussionists (freshman, soph, junior, senior) has an end of the year solo that we play at a recital. freshmen have a rudimental snare solo (pratt book), sophomores have a 4 mallet solo, juniors have a timp/ multi percussion solo, and seniors pick a topic and do a project on it.

i want to do my project on this marimba improv solo that has latin grooves behind it (drumset, world percussion and such). i have already transcribed most of it.

my question is, if i manage to get some of the top kids to play it at our end of the year concert, would i need to copyright it? i mean, nobody films it or anything, but i would love for that to be my senior project.
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Captain_Pit wrote:
tdubasdfg wrote:I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
I like E major.
Yeah, I know, I'm kind of emotional.


anyway, how do you guys come up with stuff?
like, how does the writing process begin?
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drumer93 wrote:
Captain_Pit wrote:
tdubasdfg wrote:I found out today that I really like Ab Minor
Ha, me too. Well that and Db Minor.
I like E major.
Yeah, I know, I'm kind of emotional.


anyway, how do you guys come up with stuff?
like, how does the writing process begin?
My best melodies usually come to me while playing either marimba, vibes, piano, etc...

just kind of...messing around on the instrument and hearing something I like, I then build on that initial thought.

oh, and I like G minor...and F# minor haha
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