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Notation questions? Ask them here.

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:49 am



I'm tired of the same questions being asked over and over, and being answered over and over. This is essentially an FAQ thread for notation questions.

To start, I'll copy/paste my notation legend from my (unfortunately defunct) lesson of the week series.

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Image An accented note. Will always be indicated by a capital letter.

Image A backstick.

Image A buzz. Press the bead of the stick in to the drumhead to create an elongated sound. Compare crush, below.

Image A cross stick. Lay the left stick across the drum with the bead resting on the drumhead and the middle of the stick on the rim. Lift the middle of the stick and strike the rim, while keeping the bead of the stick on the head. Sometimes called a "rim knock".

Image A crossover. This indicates that the note being played is crossed over, not being crossed over.

Image A crush. Crush the bead of the stick into the drumhead to create a "staccato buzz" sound.

Image A half-accent. Play with greater velocity than a tap, but with lesser velocity than an accent.

Image Indicates a mounted instrument. Text will be given to indicate what is to be mounted (in this case, a cowbell).

Image A muffled stroke. Lay the opposite hand of the one playing the stroke on the head, stopping vibration and muffling the sound. Alternatively, lightly press the opposite stick onto the drumhead, achieving the same effect.

Image A rim shot. Strike the drumhead and the rim at the same time with the same stick.

Image A rim. Indication will be given for front or back rim.

Image A skank. Exclusive to tenors, play a rim shot and immediately muffle the drumhead after the stroke.
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Naturally, this isn't universal, but it's my personal notation. Anything up here is subject to the prerogative of the individual composer.
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:04 pm



can you do crushes in sibelius without VDL?


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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:59 pm



You notate them (select the note, hit Z, and select inverted mordent), but it won't sound. To get proper playback, you need to buy VDL.
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:19 pm



When I use sibelius, and try to enter a drag/diddle dash, it doesn't show up on the music, but I can hear it on the playback. Does anyone know how to fix that?
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:39 pm



Um make sure this doesn't turn into a Sibelius help thread, we already got one: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8205" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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How do you make a double stop in Finale?


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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:15 pm



iDrum wrote:How do you make a double stop in Finale?
This probably should have been in the Sibelius / Finale help thread, but whatever. You can do it various different ways. You can add a second note (such as snare drum hit and a snare drum LH hit) to it on the same line which which will make it look like this.
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Or you can go into Special Tools (the one that looks like a hammer) and choose the Double / Split Stem tool (the one that looks like 2 8th note double stops) and click on the note you wish to make a double stop. That will make it look like this.
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Alternatively, you could just put a "B" in the sticking indicating both, but it's whatever you wanna do. I usually choose the second option, and make it double stemmed.

Hope this helps!
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:56 pm



lhsdrummer6 wrote:
iDrum wrote:How do you make a double stop in Finale?
This probably should have been in the Sibelius / Finale help thread, but whatever. You can do it various different ways. You can add a second note (such as snare drum hit and a snare drum LH hit) to it on the same line which which will make it look like this.
ds1.JPG
Or you can go into Special Tools (the one that looks like a hammer) and choose the Double / Split Stem tool (the one that looks like 2 8th note double stops) and click on the note you wish to make a double stop. That will make it look like this.
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Alternatively, you could just put a "B" in the sticking indicating both, but it's whatever you wanna do. I usually choose the second option, and make it double stemmed.

Hope this helps!

Shouldnt a double stop be part of the notation list? Idk...but thanks alot!


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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:58 pm



This thread is about reading and understanding notation, not about input in a software. Use the Sibelius/Finale/etc thread for those questions.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:52 pm



Doubles stops, as outlined above, have several different methods of identification, most of which are self explanatory. I personally simply write a quarter note and put a "B" for the sticking.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:31 pm



What does a plus sign ( + ) over a note indicate?
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Lwheeler4 wrote:What does a plus sign ( + ) over a note indicate?
Usually a crossover.
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Captain_Pit wrote:
Lwheeler4 wrote:What does a plus sign ( + ) over a note indicate?
Usually a crossover.
Sweet, it makes sense now.
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Lwheeler4 wrote:
Captain_Pit wrote:
Lwheeler4 wrote:What does a plus sign ( + ) over a note indicate?
Usually a crossover.
Sweet, it makes sense now.
Thanks.
You can also see crossovers indicated with a circled notehead, a slash through the notehead or the notehead in parentheses.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:18 pm



quadripedman wrote:
Lwheeler4 wrote:
Captain_Pit wrote: Usually a crossover.
Sweet, it makes sense now.
Thanks.
You can also see crossovers indicated with a circled notehead, a slash through the notehead or the notehead in parentheses.
Actually, there are a ton of ways to indicate a crossover; personally, I do it with a filled-in diamond notehead. When writing music, it's advised to indicate what each notehead means the first time it shows up.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:39 pm



AWA wrote:
quadripedman wrote:
Lwheeler4 wrote:
Sweet, it makes sense now.
Thanks.
You can also see crossovers indicated with a circled notehead, a slash through the notehead or the notehead in parentheses.
Actually, there are a ton of ways to indicate a crossover; personally, I do it with a filled-in diamond notehead. When writing music, it's advised to indicate what each notehead means the first time it shows up.
Yeah, i know, i was just mentioning a few more common notations.
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:55 am



quadripedman wrote:
AWA wrote:
quadripedman wrote:
You can also see crossovers indicated with a circled notehead, a slash through the notehead or the notehead in parentheses.
Actually, there are a ton of ways to indicate a crossover; personally, I do it with a filled-in diamond notehead. When writing music, it's advised to indicate what each notehead means the first time it shows up.
Yeah, i know, i was just mentioning a few more common notations.
Got it, didn't mean to sound condescending. Why can't there be just one standardized notation? =/
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AWA wrote:
quadripedman wrote:
AWA wrote:
Actually, there are a ton of ways to indicate a crossover; personally, I do it with a filled-in diamond notehead. When writing music, it's advised to indicate what each notehead means the first time it shows up.
Yeah, i know, i was just mentioning a few more common notations.
Got it, didn't mean to sound condescending. Why can't there be just one standardized notation? =/
Because our drummer god hath not deemed it to be so.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:53 pm



what is the actual musical term for those slashes through the notes? i know what they do i just dont know what their called =/
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Those are known as a tremelo.
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:33 pm



quadripedman wrote:
AWA wrote:
quadripedman wrote:
Yeah, i know, i was just mentioning a few more common notations.
Got it, didn't mean to sound condescending. Why can't there be just one standardized notation? =/
Because our drummer god hath not deemed it to be so.
I wish someone would actually publish a standardized way to notate percussion music. I mean, it would be awesome if we even get the users of SnareScience to agree on something standardized. Im sure it would catch on if a site as well known as this published something that more or less provided a "advised way of notating music"... you know, not set in stone, but something that arrangers could refer to as they need to know how to best notate for their percussion line.
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:40 pm



All of my music is internally consistent, and FSM knows I've got a ton of it on this site.

Then again, Murray Gusseck's is also consistent.

As is Jim Casella's.

And Bret Kuhn's.

And Paul Rennick's.

And Bill Bachman's.
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:33 am



Mine's consistent.

Not to be all that guy or anything, but for a good while, all DCI arrangers that used Sibelius and VDL (which is most of them) were notating exactly as I do. In a way, I created a standardized version.

Then Sibelius 5, then 6 came out and the game started all over again.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:24 pm



What are the differences between the Appoggiatura and the Acciaccatura?
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If I create flams/taps in Sibelius, which one would I use?


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For rudimental percussion, use an acciaccatura (which technically has no value whatsoever). An appoggiatura has a different meaning musically.
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